captain olorin a écrit :Y'a aussi Zizou à titre posthume.
Vu son coup de boule cela m'étonnerait.
La compétition se jouera entre Ronnie et Henry :biker_h4h
Eto'o avec sa blessure et sa non participation à la coupe du monde cela m'étonnerait.
Moi j'aurais bien vu un Rital... Pirlo, Cannavaro.
J'espère Henry, finale de Champions League, finale de coupe du monde, un bon début de saison. c'est mon favori.
D'ici 2 ans, ça sera Deruda.
Zidane on lui vole en 2002 et en 2000 !!! Donc je le donne à notre Zizou ...
KodiaK a écrit :J'espère Henry, finale de Champions League, finale de coupe du monde, un bon début de saison. c'est mon favori.
Bah il a effectivement toutes ses chances Henry Dès :blondblush1:
C'est con qu'il n'ait pas gagné la Coupe d'Europe (et du Monde évidemment), mais je pense qu'il est bien mieux placé que d'autres, y'a pas photo
Papin59 a écrit :Zidane on lui vole en 2002 et en 2000 !!! Donc je le donne à notre Zizou ...
Il a perdu le ballon d'or à chaque fois à cause d'un comportement anti sportif.
Une vraie réponse de faux cul: il a utilisé à l'époque une litote et il veut nous la faire avaler au premier degré. Quand on utilise l'expression "pas désavantagé par l'arbitrage", on sous-entend soit que nous avons été avantagé par l'arbitrage, soit que ce dernier est tellement mauvais que le fait de ne pas avoir été désavantagé est exceptionnel.
Toujours aussi franc et courageux la Houille...
"Il parait que Vikash Dhorasoo va venir à l'OM...
Disons que c'est le fantasme de notre ami Pierre Mondy, alors qu'aucun contact n'a été pris de contact avec ce joueur-là. Quand il dit cela, on a deux sentiments : soit l'homme reste dans ce qui fait sa réputation, à savoir le fantasme permanent, soit il ne fait qu'exprimer une certaine trouille. La trouille de sentir le souffle chaud de Marseille dans son dos. Dans les deux cas, je crois que ce n'est pas très honorable."
Monsieur Diouf :incline: !
Papin59 a écrit :Zidane on lui vole en 2002 et en 2000 !!! Donc je le donne à notre Zizou ...
Il s'est fait virer de libourne pour avoir fait installé des machines a sous dans les vestiaires.
Mauvais quote je parle de thomas D qui a vrai dire n' a rien a fouttre dans la liste du ballon d'or :)
moi je vote pour etoo parce que j'aime pas l'argument "il a pas joué la coupe du monde" parce que cela revient à dire que même un joueur genialissime ne serait pas ballon d'or s'il venait d'un pays où personne ne tape la baballe (bon je sais c'est pas le cas du cameroun)
KodiaK a écrit :Qui Zizou? :choque:
je parle de jean carmet mauvais quote je me fait flageler :vodevillpour cette erreur au combien regretable
nimportequi a écrit :je parle de jean carmet mauvais quote je me fait flageler :vodevillpour cette erreur au combien regretable
c'est fou de faire de telles erreurs rien que pour le plaisir de la flagellation.... ou va la france?
Les Anglais s'interrogent sur la construction et la reussite de l'OL
(Pour les non anglophones, je vous traduis ca des que j'ai le temps
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Lyon exemplify values of patience
By John Sinnott
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There has been plenty of flag waving over the last five years at Lyon
If any aspiring football chairman wants to learn how best to run a football club, they could do worse than pay a visit to French champions Lyon.
Les Gones are attempting to become the first club from a major European league to win six titles in succession.
Unbeaten in Le Championnat this season, and already three points clear of second place Marseille, the odds are shortening by the week on Lyon accomplishing their goal of a sixth consecutive title.
In the Champions League, Lyon have been in equally scintillating form, destroying Real Madrid with a virtuoso attacking performance in their opening group game, before demolishing Steaua Bucharest away in Romania in their next match.
As they prepare to face Dynamo Kiev in the Ukraine on Tuesday, Lyon lead Group E by three points.
BBC Sport talks to Tottenham sporting director and Frenchman Damien Comolli to discover the secrets of Lyon's success.
PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE
Unless your name is Roman Abramovich and you have money to burn there are no quick fixes to building a successful football club.
Current Lyon chairman Jean-Michel Pierre Mondy took over just under 20 years ago in June 1987.
He had to wait 15 years to realise his dream of bringing Lyon their first French Ligue 1 title.
When Pierre Mondy, who was the the chairman of a software company, took over Lyon they were in the second division, but he promised to have the club back in the first division and in European competitions within four years.
In 1988, Pierre Mondy appointed Bernard Lacombe as sporting director and former Lyon player Raymond Domenech - now France manager - as coach.
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Toulalan holds it together in midfield for Lyon
Domenech immediately guided the team to promotion.
Pierre Mondy's promise of European football within four years was also delivered, though the club's Uefa Cup campaign was disastrous as they were beaten 8-4 on aggregate by Trabzonspor.
That season - 1991-1992 - Lyon also only avoided relegation by only two points.
Another 10 years was to pass before Lyon picked a major trophy when in May 2001 they claimed the French League Cup, their first piece of silverware since 1973 when they won the French Cup.
In the three years before they claimed the title, Lyon twice finished third and were runners-up in 2001.
The following year Lyon clinched the Ligue 1 crown on the last day of the season, beating Lens 3-1, who had been ahead of them by one point going into the game.
According to Comolli, the continuity provided by Pierre Mondy and the club's sporting director Bernard Lacombe has been key to Lyon's success.
"The club has had the the same people, Pierre Mondy as chairman, as well as the chief executive and Lacombe as sporting director, since the late 1980s.
"Even when they didn't get the popular results they stayed together. There is a continuity within the management of the club and that is so important."
COACHING SUCCESS
Lyon have had plenty of coaches under Pierre Mondy.
As well as Domenech, former Fulham boss Jean Tigana has also coached the club, but Jacques Santini, Paul le Guen - now at Rangers - and current boss Gerard Houllier, are the three coaches who have each taken Lyon to a higher level.
Santini arrived in 2000 and within two years had delivered that elusive title, before he was appointed coach of the French national team.
Le Guen replaced Santini and led the club to their next three league title successes.
But Comolli believes Houllier's appointment in the summer of 2005 could see the club achieve Pierre Mondy's next ambition - Champions League success.
"Gerard was the person they needed to finish the job," said Comolli.
"He is very intelligent and has got so much experience. That is why I think they will do something very big in Europe.
"There are six teams who can win the Champions League and Lyon are one of those six.
"You need luck - with refereeing decisions and injuries - but Lyon are up there with the big teams in Europe now."
CIRCLE OF SUCCESS
By winning the French league title again and again and thereby qualifying for the Champions League, Lyon have established a vice-like financial superiority over their domestic rivals.
Over the last two years, Lyon have lost key players such as Michael Essien and Mali midfielder Mahamadou Diarra, but their financial power - the club now has a £100m annual turnover - means they invariably sign the best French players.
Diarra has been replaced by 23-year-old Jeremy Toulalan, who joined from Nantes in the summer, and is seen as Claude Makelele's successor in the French national team.
"Clubs like Paris St Germain, Marseille and Monaco have had no continuity," said Comolli.
"Lyon's stability and success has given them a massive edge over their rvals. Because they win everything that means they can buy the best French players.
"They are miles wealthier than other clubs in France. If you are a French player then there is no other club you aspire to play for."
SCOUTS DO YOUR BEST
As well as recruiting the best French talent, Lyon have discovered if you want to get ahead, a dash of Brazilian skill goes a long way.
The club have established a formidable scouting network in Brazil, which has been developed by Marcelo, the first Brazilian defender to play for Lyon during the 1990s.
Working in tandem with sporting director Lacombe, Marcelo has proved a shrewd judge of talent.
Integral to Lyon's recent success have been defenders Cris and Cacapba, midfielder Juninho and striker Fred.
Juninho proved be an inspirational purchase, the player that dictates how Lyon player and who scores his fair share of goals, notably from free-kicks.
It is no coincidence that he joined at the start of the season Lyon secured their first league title.
MINING GOLD
Lyon used to have the best academy in France and the first part of their success was partly built on developing their own young players.
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Lyon have high hopes of youngster Karim Benzema
Lyon's academy is no longer the best - according to Comolli Rennes has now the most impressive youth development scheme in France- but the French champions are still capable of producing a gem every two or three years.
Much is expected of Hatem Ben Arfa and even more of Karim Benzema. "Karim is going to be fantastic player," said Comolli. "He is a striker who can play in wide positions. He is very strong, very quick, who can score goals. He reminds me a bit of Sylvain Wiltord."
Il est inutile de preciser que cet article est du samedi 14 octobre (cf l'ecart entre Marseille et Lyon)...
Il manque un élément extrêmement important pour comprendre la réussite de l'OL: la faillite des "grands" OM, PSG, Bordeaux et Monaco. Sans la déconfiture de ces 4 là, jamais l'OL n'aurait pu s'imposer, en tout cas pas dans les proportions actuelles.